Tuesday, February 19, 2008

you're not the boss of me!

Kansas HS says female cannot ref boys game - Wednesday February 13, 2008 9:40PM:

"The reason given, according to the referees: Campbell, as a woman, could not be put in a position of authority over boys because of the academy's beliefs."

So, there was this one time back in college when I was talking (er, arguing) with my dad about why women are supposed to be subject to the authority of men and why his sexism was a problem to me.

Dad: I'm not a sexist. It's what the Bible says, Ding.
Me: But that's only within the context of the church and/or a married relationship. (Which I still think is crap but I decided to give that to my dad to make the argument a little easier.) So, ok, women can't preach or teach men in the church and we're supposed to bow and scrape when we're married. Fine. But that doesn't mean that women are supposed to be submissive to ALL men, everywhere, does it?

Dad: (long pause)
Me: I mean, so there's a woman doctor. Is she just supposed to take a back seat to some random guy because he's a guy? What about if you were on a jury? Does that mean a woman can't be a foreman on the jury because there are men there? What about female bosses? Does that mean that because of a few verses about the place of women in church, that all women everywhere can't be in positions of authority? Because that's totally sexist and if you agree, it means you're a sexist, too.
Dad: (silence)
Me: Yeah. Thought so.

You know, I really couldn't be the feminist I am now if it hadn't been for my Dad.


Anonymous said...

Thanks for being honest! No you do not have to submit or be submissive to every man you meet. Your father is an exception. We still have a long way to go in regards to what is exactly acceptable in our culture. Although the thought of a woman serving in the military on the front lines bothers me. I know she has the right to be there, but I thinks she needs the protection of the males around her. I would think that some of the males would want to protect a female serving next to them like that.

ding said...

Funny you should mention women serving in the military.

There was a really good post a while back that totally broke down the 'arguments' against women serving in the military as specious and totally sexist - which, in my mind, discounts them as valid.

(I'll look for it now; when I find it, I'll post the link.)

As for being submissive to my father, well, no. I love and esteem him, but I count my years of being 'submissive' to him having ended when I reached 18 and was still living in his house.

ding said...

Found it!

Over at Feminism 101, this post was thorough and well-researched. It breaks down the various arguments about 'female privilege' through the lens of women in the military and it says things better than I could.

Shells said...

I'm glad you posted on this. Naturally feminists everywhere are outraged, but the story particularly strikes a chord when you grew up constantly hearing how the Bible says women should be submissive and seeing women barred from places of authority in the church. Good for the other ref who walked out with her. For a second I thought those were the same Pius X schools my boyfriend went to but a quick Google search proved that not to be the case. Either way, I'm glad he doesn't buy into any of that submission BS!

Anonymous said...

Sorry wrote that wrong. You're right, once you leave your parents home you can respectfully disagree with them. Heh!

The whole submission theme has been blown out of context especially in our churches. Do you think it may have contribute to the high divorce rate in the christian community?